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“The physics tells us that approximately 900,000 of the duplicates will water Susan and approximately 100,000 of them will not. If we ran the experiment many times, each time creating a million more duplicates and waiting for them to decide, the physics tells us we would get roughly the same frequencies each time. But if what happens is totally up to each duplicate – in the radical incompatibilist sense – then there ought to be no such predictable frequency. The number that do and don’t water the plant should change each time, as the radically free choices of each individual varies.”

The ‘approximately’ and ‘roughly’ give you all the flexibility you need for the numbers to not be exactly the same each time you do the expreiment.

Also, you can’t exactly duplicate the same situation more than once.

Even radical free will allows for predictability and limits to outcomes. If there is no way to tell what each iteration will do then you have room for free will.

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If quantum mechanics is correct, you can prove the universe is not deterministic. Here's how. Get a little lump of radium and a Geiger counter. If your radium is just the right size, then the probability that it makes the Geiger counter beep in any one minute period will be 50%. And quantum mechanics says that is completely and truly random. Over a large number of observations, the 50% holds, but in any single case, whether it happens in one minute is strictly undetermined, strictly random. So set up the radium and Geiger counter and decide that you will eat a muffin if the counter beeps within a minute or less, but otherwise you will put the muffin in the fridge. Your choice to eat is delegated to your radium/G counter setup, so you are not making the choice. And yet according to quantum mechanics, whether you eat or not is strictly random. Hence, the universe is not deterministic.

If you carefully inspect your conscious choices in normal life (no radium lumps on hand), you can never catch yourself making a free choice. At least, I can't. If I act according to a desire, I didn't choose that desire, I just find it in me. Even if I created a habit of having a certain desire by hard work, what motivated me to do that hard work? It was another desire that, inspected carefully, I didn't choose (e.g. preferring an orderly life over the disorder of frequently giving in to a short term desire to drink rum).

Another example: if I am persuaded that trying to always act in love is the best way to help steer the universe toward maximal flourishing for sentient beings, what made me like the idea of maximal flourishing? Another desire, and the knowledge from my experience that I don't like to suffer and it appears that other creatures don't like to either. But I didn't choose to have a type of body that can suffer physical pain. I just found myself in one. This can go on endlessly, and I have never been able to see that I have actually make a truly free choice.

If panexperientialism or panpsychism is true, maybe smaller constituents of myself, my organs, cells, neurons, etc. make truly free choices and flush them up into my consciousness in the form of desires. But again, I can't detect that process so I, my conscious mind, does not seem to be able to make truly free choices as far as I can definitively identify.

So can it be that the universe is not determined, yet humans don't have the ability to make truly free choices?

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