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I think the problem with apophatic definitions of God is that it becomes so vague as to become meaningless.

Many of the things classical theists say about God are compatible with my view -- that everything is grounded in mathematical structure, if we just identify God with the ensemble of all mathematical objects.

* Is not a person

* Is infinite

* Is simple (in the sense of no free parameters, for instance)

* Is beyond human understanding

* Is a necessary being

* Grounds all of existence

* The physical world is inside God (for panentheists; not quite your view where there is an overlap but neither is wholly inside the other)

* Is perfect (to the extent that such a claim is meaningful at all, which I doubt)

In order to distinguish classical theism from a view like mine I think you need to make some positive claims. Claims about morality or value, for example, like that moral/value realism is true God is the source of morality/value. Or claims that Jesus (or Buddha, or Mohammed, or whoever) is special in some God-related way.

Somethingism isn't enough.

BEING REALITY WISE's avatar

Very entertaining ideas to be sure, but does this made up word reflect the intellectual masturabation involved in the philosophy of mind here on substack? In that psychological way we project an imagined sense of realness onto words like Devil, God, & Somethingists? Because our behaviors are so subconsciously orchestrated & functionally automatic, we fail to notice the consensus trance of our unbalanced experience of consciousness?

And more importantly the reified-reality nature of human languages and our sense of separation from the cosmic reality, life is undeniably immersed in? While from a religious perspective, do we tend to overlook the experiential discernment of Axial-age philosophy, in the story of Jesus of Nazareth? And those cryptically clever subconscious storytelling tropes about Ego death & the personal transformation of the perceptual confusion inherent in our everyday use of language?

And in the experiential discernment context of R. D. Laing's "we are all in a post-hypnotic trance induced in early infancy." Consider:

(Psychologist Charles Tart coined the term "consensus trance" to describe normal waking consciousness, proposing that it functions as a collective hypnotic state. From childhood, society’s cultural, ideological, and linguistic conditioning acts as a continuous induction that narrows our focus. This process teaches us what to perceive, value, and ignore.

The Mechanics of the Trance

Social Programming: Ideological conditioning, cultural taboos, and shared narratives are reinforced so consistently that they function exactly like a hypnotic suggestion.

Constriction of Reality: Rather than experiencing the universe completely and objectively, our brains lock onto a predictive "best guess" of reality that is agreed upon by our community.

Automatic Functioning: Like a hypnotized subject acting on a post-hypnotic cue, we walk through everyday life running on conditioned scripts and automatic reactions rather than true, creative freedom.

Psychological & Neuroscientific Views

Controlled Hallucination: Leading neuroscientists like Anil Seth suggest that human perception itself is a form of "controlled hallucination", where the world we see is shaped by prior expectations and sensory regulation.

Consensus Reality: Also known as Consensus Reality on Wikipedia, it serves as a pragmatic, shared framework to help us communicate and survive in society.

Transcending the Trance: Altered states—such as deep meditation, trance states, and shamanic Trance and Shamanic States of Consciousness—allow the mind to drop this socially conditioned filter, exposing us to deeper, non-dual levels of subjective experience.) A Google AI Overview

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